Episode 224: What’s Your Brand Archetype – with April Beach and Carrie Thomas-Omáur

You’re listening to the Sweetlife entrepreneur podcast, simplified strategies to grow your service business and launch a life you love faster with business mental and entrepreneur activator a probate. Hi everyone. And welcome to it. Episode number 224. Thank you for joining us back here at the sweet life entrepreneur and business podcast. And today I am joined by a very special guest. Who’s going to help us dive into brand archetypes the way she teaches it is so easy to understand.

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How does this fit in? And when I sat down with our guest, you are going to love her, by the way I met her on clubhouse. So we love the collaborations that are happening on that great app, very real time and authentic. And her name is Carrie, Carrie Thomas Omaro. And I want to make sure I’m pronouncing her last name correctly.

She has a beautiful last name. She is a branding expert, and here are the things that you can expect from today’s episode. You’re going to understand your customer’s core drivers and motivators and how they fit into your brand strategy. You are going to understand brand archetypes in general, and you are going to know how to exactly create raving fans from your brand archetype.

So let me go ahead and give a formal introduction. Carrie Thomas Amaro is a former corporate rebel turned entrepreneur. She’s a branding extraordinary Carrie’s top mission is to help entrepreneurs build premium brands to increase their visibility, credibility, and profitability in the business market. Carrie believes there are so many good people with amazing messages and MIS and missions that can really be impactful to others,

but they lack visibility. Raise your hand if that’s you, you have an amazing world changing message, but you’re just not exactly sure how to get that out to the world. Then this podcast is for you, Carrie dives, into her personal story and how she literally fell into brand strategy. And because of this, well, maybe godly accident is some people might call it.

She is become a leading brand strategist, and I know you’re going to be able to relate to her. I can’t wait for you to connect with Carrie after this episode on clubhouse with us. And let’s go ahead and dive into today’s show. All of the show notes can be found by visiting Sweetlife co.com. And this is episode number two, two, four.

All right, let’s go ahead and dive in. All right. You guys welcome back to another episode here on the show. I am super excited to be connected with Carrie and to bring you Carrie’s genius today on the podcast. Let me give you a little bit of back story, Carrie and I met on clubhouse and immediately when I heard her speak, I was like,

Oh my gosh, I want to hang out with her. I want to learn more from her. And you’re going to know exactly why if you haven’t met her already yet on clubhouse today’s episode. So Carrie, welcome to the sweet life entrepreneur podcast. And so excited that you’re here. Tell everybody a little bit about how you became such like a brand whisper.

You’re like the landing branding, Ninja genius teller. First of all, thank you so much. Like it literally means the world, like for you to invite me on show, literally all The things. So I actually started in this journey. I used to be, well, I have my degree in human humanistic psychology. So I’ve always wanted, like,

even when I was little, like I used to always be like, why do people do the things that they do? Like, what are the things that make them like, make the choices that they make? So I was doing that, that my degree in human psychology. And then I actually got a job. It was actually thrown at me. I was working at a restaurant,

like, what am I really like? My, my brother. He was like, Hey Kara, I want you to run my restaurant. And I’m like, you not, never did any of this ever in life. And he was like, yeah, but you’re smart. You’ll figure it out, figure it out. So I did that and I remember like the most pivotal moment.

That’s why I was like, I gotta get my stuff together. It’s like he was a pizza place. And I was like doing the order and stuff. And I was like, okay, we need cheese. I was like sick. Not knowing that this was like six boxes. Is that like, It’s bulk ordering. I definitely originally spent a lot of time in restaurants,

so I absolutely totally know what you’re talking about. Yeah. And it’s funny. Cause he left me, like, I would say at least three weeks, then he left me to go on vacation for a month. But like I’m over here, like trying to do orders and do all this stuff. And I’m just like, well, the shipment comes in.

It’s like all the shift keeps coming in and they’re like, what is your I’m? Like, I ordered like snakes and it’s like, each box has 12 bags and I’m just like, okay, let’s figure this out. So we have key pieces of dollars slice it out. But actually it’s funny. Cause everybody always asked me like, how did I start learning all the things that I learned that mistake,

like we were very new in business and I was like, we have to get people in these doors. I have all this chief Shamar comes home in two weeks and he’s got to literally like yell at me and cuss me. Yeah. I have to figure this out. So I was like, I need all the people around us. Like, no we’re here.

Like how can I do it? And I was like, well, what would be the easiest thing to do? And I was like, easiest thing to do is like to get in touch with all the restaurants and businesses around me to know us to come over. So Lily, what we did, I was like, Hey, we got this chief.

We’re going to give everybody a free cheese pizza. We’re just going to drop it off. So I literally just started dropping off cheese pizza and me happy personality. Hey, thank you guys so much. My name is Carrie. I’m the manager. I probably seek the pallets. I just want to drop off this chief. Please let me know if you ever want to come hang out.

I’m always there. My team’s always there. We would love to have like literally just everywhere, like just drop it off cheese pizzas, the glory I’m like Oprah, which it was so crazy. Cause literally like within a week people just start coming and they were like one, they were like here, like no one’s ever dropped this off pizza. And then like,

you were just like, your energy was just so amazing that we just went to come hang out with you. So literally like people just start coming and coming. Luckily all the pieces, all the cheese was Columbia before he came. So that was good. Yeah. But that was when I realized that I was like in business, you need to double down on what you’re good at that.

For me, it’s always been connections and relationships. So I was like, I’m going to have to double down on this. I’m going to have to create this visibility strategy and what I start calling with a fat visability. So like literally I want to be extremely visible to every business within five minutes, like around the perimeter. And that’s what we did.

And we were able to become extremely profitable in the business. And I did that for about two years, but like I just graduated from college and it wasn’t cool to have that type of insurance anymore. So I had to go into corporate and I did corporate restaurants and I actually was at felt like corporate working on the opposite side as a business consultant, working with franchisees have increased their visibility and profitability.

So that’s what I was doing. But the whole time I was still with my thoughts of like, how can we get people in the restaurant? How can we change the perception? Because of course the way big plays, how come change perception, especially when there’s so many subways, how can we make this the way the go-to set weight in terms of everybody else that’s in the area.

And that’s what we kept doing. How can we do the things? How can we do it? And sadly, my father passed away March of 2019 and that’s kind of when I was like, I wanted to do more. My dad was in the military for 26 years. He may so much impact. And he replies, like I remember at the funeral,

they were like, I had one conversation with Paul and like literally my life changed. I was like, Oh my gosh, one call like one conversation. And that’s when myself, I want to do more. I wanted to do more outside of that. And one of my franchisees, he always used to say that, cause I made those schedule and I didn’t really work a lot of hours.

She was like, here, you need to do something like start a business. And I was like doing what he’s like, and I was going to do it in restaurant. But after my father died, I was like, I really want to work with impact or entrepreneurs. I want to work with people who have missions and messages that they want to get out,

but they’re not visible. They’re brands. Aren’t in alignment with who they are. I need to help them get visible so people can like, so the impact that they want to make, they can find, make it. First of all, I’m so sorry. You lost your dad. I lost my dad six years ago and I still every single like week or so,

like pick up the phone to call him and then remember he isn’t there. It’s really, really tough. And sometimes having a vision into seeing something differently, whether it’s, you know, what happened to you is just such an eye-opening thing. And I I’m sorry that happened, but I also love your story because it’s usually something like that and it makes us stop and be like,

okay, Hey, wait a minute. Am I really where I’m supposed to be in my actually using my skills? The thing I love about what you said brand strategy, is that what you have taught these businesses to do. Isn’t this like, you know, Proctor and gamble or Budweiser or huge big brand strategy. You’re really talking down on this level to these what we call micro businesses.

Okay. Like 90% of our listeners is a show where micro businesses wouldn’t qualify to be a small business cause that you can have up to a hundred employees. Right? And so these micro entrepreneurs that have very, very small teams and the concept of being the go-to business, not for everybody, but just within this fear of influence, granted it’s different. We’re talking about online business is so simple.

It’s yet so smart. And so I love what we’re going to dive into today on this show. And thank you for sharing that. I think that so many are like I did years and years and years waiting tables and bartending, my husband was in the restaurant was in corporate restaurants. There are so many entrepreneurs that are from the restaurant industry. It’s because we are bad-ass and multitasking actually I’ll say that if you can,

if you can be in the restaurant industry, you can do anything, anything. I usually do fine dining. And I think that’s what I was like, Oh, I can do all things out. Right? Yeah. I did find dining. Like at the end I did find dining and I was like, man, I actually should have been doing this.

I sell $300 bottle of wine, make as much money as I did. You know, back when I was 17 serving vegan food across a bar, but you know, it was great. It was, it was good experience. And so diving into, you know, kind of brand strategy, some of the things that we’re going to talk about today in our audiences want to know my people ask me this,

your people ask you this, like this is the thing they want to know. And we’re going to break this down for you guys today on the show. The biggest question is, is how do we build this business and personal brand at the same time? How do we know the balance between, you know, what we’re sharing out there as a company and what we’re sharing out there as a personal brand,

as a human that kind of behind the scenes and you have three different things you’re going to take us through today, which I’m so excited to talk about. And so the first thing that you say in your process that you bring people through in branding and strategy is understanding your customer’s core drivers and really like what keeps him up at night. Can you elaborate on that?

Teach our listeners, that process and this being step number one. Here’s what you guys got to do in order to tap into this level of influence. Yeah. So what do you want to do is you really want to understand who they are. So of course, like people say like, what books do they read? What Facebook groups that, Hey,

that’s great. But you also want to really understand the psychological like back, like who motivates them. Like when they have a bad day, what, like, what are the things that kind of gets them out of? And the way that you do that is the easiest way to do that is by start talking to your customers, like start asking those personal questions.

I have that relationship. Cause we were like, Hey, you know, I know that was crazy. Like you were doing that launch. I know it was a little rough. Like what were you kind of going through? Like, let’s talk about it, let’s see if we can adapt to it. So next time they might understand what you’re doing next time we can fix it.

And a lot of times they were like, you know, Carrie, like I want like, I really, really want to be able to like be there for my family. I want to be able to create this life for my family. So that’s, what’s keeping them up at night. Like that’s the thing and you’ll hear it. They’ll tell you.

And they’re like, I want to be able to do this with like every time I feel like I’m getting almost there, I just can’t take that leap. So having those interviews with your clients and actually listening to what they say, because I think a lot of times we don’t really listen to what our clients say, but actually listening and then actually diving deeper,

say, okay, like, so you really want to help your family? Like what, like what are you trying to do? Like, what do you want to do with your family? I really want to put my daughter in private school. I really want, I really want my wife to be able to homeschool like our youngest stuff like that. Having those conversations is what is going to be able,

so you can understand how to communicate with them and how to do those other people that we’re going to talk about in a way So smart. Okay. So first of all, people don’t like taking time to do this and it’s the best market research they can do. And it’s the most direct. And I love that you said that because a lot of entrepreneurs,

like we are solutions finders, so we just want to solution and be like, Oh yeah, yeah, it’ll sell. And I love that. You talk about how important it is to actually talk to your audience for sure. The best market research. If you guys are not on clubhouse with me and Carrie, you should go and clubhouse. Cause it’s like market research gold.

You can just room about a question that you want answered and you’re going to get all that feedback. Some you don’t want, but some really great important feedback regarding what, what you guys are trying to do. And so understanding basically what keeps him up at night and the things that matter to them that do not have anything to do with what you’re selling.

That’s what I heard what you said. Oh, I like that. I like that. Yeah. It’s funny. Cause I feel like I’ve been, I’m always on the soap box is especially because we’re all entrepreneurs just because we’re an all white space doesn’t mean that our clients are just like these people laid at people. They’re real people in the real world with real life,

things that are going on every day and those things just because they’re on the screen, it’s still happening. So you have to take time and ask those questions and try to figure out what is their real day to day life. Like for me, I’m a at, so I get up at seven o’clock in the morning to homeschool my knee, that there is something that up and that’s a driver for you.

And, but it very impressive by the way, just so you know, your superstar rockstar For sure. But very important. Okay. And just understanding Those other drivers behind the scenes and like the second thing you had said in this, like really kind of pulls off of what we were just talking about is understanding your brand archetype. First of all, can you please explain to our listeners that don’t even know what a brand archetype is?

Like, what is the definition? What is a brand archetype and then help our listeners understand how to utilize? Yeah. So the easiest way to explain what a bread archetype is, if everybody is familiar with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. So everybody has certain needs and desires that they have to get to be able to survive and feel like they’ve made the next step.

So of course, you know, water, shelter, money, commitment, relationship, that’s what people need. Those same things that they need are the same things that go into the bread archetype. Like they have the hero brands, musician brands, the innocent, the Sage, like all those are different bread archetypes, but all of those are based on the core needs that we have Nate.

So what happens that how to really leverage it is a differentiation factor. So a lot of times, especially right now in social media of everybody came online. But a lot of people that do the same thing, like I feel like you’re gonna throw a rock in social media and he had a bread strategy. Yeah. But because they haven’t leveraged a brand archetype,

they’re speaking the same language that everybody else and speaking actually create a brand archetype and speak in that language. You’ve differentiated yourself. And you’re actually now tapping into the coordinate and core desires of your dream client of your Raymond band. So now when it comes to your offers and your services and your updates, they’re like, Hey, I’m going to listen to this person because they’re speaking to me is that it’s speaking to every black everybody else.

And it’s what we call is that the true foundation of creating a frictionless print. Wow. Okay. And one of the things, one of the notes I took and we were talking a little bit behind the scenes in planning, this show is that people go to the brand that understands their thought process. And I thought that was so smart that you said that and they’re going to the ones that speak to their heart and they’re going to the ones that speak to their true desires.

And honestly what their personality is as a person. Those are the ones that they’re attracted to you even like said, you said something about your mom, you shared this really cool thing. Like your mom’s are attracted like safe brands. Like, you know, like a lot of moms are in that, you know, and that whatever Ramy is and moms are right.

And maybe that just generation where as that’s not the same thing that necessarily drives everybody else. Yeah. Cause it’s like a key example about, let’s say you have a mom who really like bills. Like I’m looking for like a brand that’s safe, that’s secure. They’re going to be looking for conversations and words. That’s going to be like assurance secure. Like that’s the words that they’re going to want to hear because that’s going to speak to their language.

But for me, like, I get excited by like transformation, innovation, things like that. So I’m going to want to hear things like creative, like innovative moving things like that. That’s the stuff that I would like to me. And that’s why I said it’s super important to understand who your customer is, that it may level to be able to have that conversation when it comes to your brand archetype.

So cool. So cool. Okay. And then the next step you’re going to take our listeners through is understanding now how to represent that visually. What does that look like? What are your tips on actually bringing a visually to the world? So the thing is like always tell people that colors have feelings and fonts have emotion. So you want to make sure that when ever you choose your brand architecture,

you look and you kind of see like what feelings actually are kind of bringing off like what the words are actually bringing it all. So let’s say you have a rebel brand. If you think of a rubber brand, like if you think of like Harley Davidson and things like that is very bold, disruptive, challenging the status norms. So when you think of their colors,

you’re going to think of Rez black, things like that. They’re not going to think of like a baby pink is going to throw it all out. You and be like, hold up. Like, this is not speaking to me Down. Yeah. And you said colors have feelings and fonts have emotions. Wow. That is so true. Yeah. We wouldn’t,

we wouldn’t think that for sure. And I think oftentimes we’ll look at a brand and wonder why that maybe that brand doesn’t really turn us on or we’re really not really attracted to it. And yeah. A lot of the times like, yeah, those colors just don’t make me feel like I want to go on a field. They don’t do it for me.

And it’s funny. Cause I always, I feel like makeup brands. I used to be a makeup artist. Like in my past life, I love entrepreneurs. We’re so cool. We’re so mixed up. There’s so many experiences. Yeah. So I used to do makeup and like I used to always think it was super cool. Like how makeup brands created different looks and feels to attract different people.

So like, are you a makeup girl? I literally don’t wear makeup at all. I’d go, I get my eyelashes glued on. So I don’t even have to wear mascara is anything I do. I don’t know how to do makeup. I’ve never worn makeup. I have zero clue. But all of my I’m just weird. All of our listeners probably know exactly what you’re just about to say.

Yeah. So like benefit tarts. Like those were really poppy, like millennial brands. Like that’s what they give off. They give that puppy millennial, like this has the new trendy items, but then you have like NARS, Estee, Lauder, things like that. They give like this look spiel and the prices are different just because of it. Cause you’re like,

Oh wait. But when you go over to nurse and Estee Lauder like you and your mind already say, Hey, I’m probably gonna spend $300 And what, what I don’t, but that’s an airplane ticket to me, but I get what you’re saying. You know that that’s a ticket on a journey to me now I get what you’re saying and it’s such a good correlation.

And so this visual representation. So first we talked about understanding what keeps your people, your ideal people up at night, at night, not even necessarily as it actually relates to your product or your service or your program or your course or whatever it is that you’re selling. So what are their core drivers? The second thing that you talked about, I love the brand archetype in understanding how to create that connection between the personality of your buyer and the personality of your brand.

And I know that, you know, that’s spoken about often, but I really appreciate you breaking it down on the show. We haven’t had somebody on the show in four years, that’s actually talked about brand archetypes. So I wanted to make sure that that was really defined for our listeners. And then you’re talking about bringing it out visually and making sure that there’s a visual,

very clear visual representation that is thoughtful in color and font. And then obviously in messaging and the work that you did within the brand archetype development. The last question I want you to answer for us today, very interested to get your take on this. This is clearly a topic of conversation within my mastermind today. You know, everybody has a different thought on this for entrepreneurs that are building both that business and that personal brand.

And we’ve talked about understanding the actual brand strategy of it, but now actually the process of posting and sharing. What percentage do you recommend people share transparent, totally irrelevant behind the scenes versus about the business. Is there a split that you have seen that’s working behind being transparent in what you’re showing your audience, even at literally Siri’s listening to me, she’s always listening.

You guys turn her off. What does that percentage, what is that difference that you see as far as posting about the business and posting about the company brand versus posting about what’s personal, maybe what you’re cooking for dinner or a hike you’re on or even your kid. Okay. So this is exciting for me because I always talk about this and we have a thing.

We call it our content bucket. And in those contents, it’s not me. There are about, I would say at the minimum about three to five, but that kind of depends on like where you’re at, how we try to map it out is what strategic pieces of content. And this will kind of break down, like how all is it happens?

The strategic pieces of content. That is how you think about STEM. So like, what is your thought processes on your business? And a lot of times the easiest way is like, what’s your show? Like what’s your stage? Like, do you have a podcast? You have a YouTube, you have a Facebook show where you’re actually able to have conversations with people and people can understand how you think.

So that’s going to be your one bucket. Your second bucket is going to be, what are the, that can come from those pieces of content that you just talked about. That can be resourceful for people who might not be ready to work with you now. So what are the things? So for me, like if you ever go to my social media,

like we teach about bread architects. We teach about color theory. We teach about different pairings and color palettes that people can use. That doesn’t really do anything for me, but it becomes a resource will aspects for somebody else which provides education, but also still goals aligned with our strategy. The next car is always going to be, what is your, what is your heart’s feet?

Are you a person that like is motivated by like, you want to inspire people. You want to motivate people. You want to make people laugh. What is that heart piece? That’s like, really like really close to you. So for me, it’s always to try to inspire other people. So in March we’d have like the Sheik who marches. We had nothing to do with our business,

but it was aspirational for me because I always want to highlight other people, inspire other people to show like, Hey, these amazing people are doing amazing things. You need to see what they’re doing. Get inspired by them. The next part is who are our clients? What’s their testimony is whatever our case study. What are the people that you want to actually work with insight?

Like who are they are inside? Like what, who are your avatars? Why do you work with the people? Like where are they at in their journey? Why they want it? When are they ready to work with you have that in there. And then the last piece. So it will be 20%. If you decide the last piece, we call it all things,

your name. So it will be all things, April, all things. Carrie’s like, what are the things that is about me? So those are like, for me, it’s like my real, like I’m showing my personality. I’m doing all my things. I’m doing my dancing because that’s me. I’m actually like a happy-go-lucky person. Like I did like an egg drop thing with my niece and nephew this weekend.

I did that in my story. That’s my day-to-day life that showed the different parts of me, but what happens? And this is what super cool. And I love it with our clients is their social media becomes a place where people just want to hang out. Cause they just want to see what’s going on. What are they doing today? Like, Oh,

this is really cool. I didn’t know about that. That’s a great thought process. Then think about that. They keep coming back over and over and over again. You start seeing all these profile businesses while you’re patient. Like these people just keep hanging out. I really anything this week, but it keep coming back because you become a place where they just want,

they feel comfortable and happy. Mm. I love that. Okay. Those five buckets are absolutely genius. And I know people are like, okay, don’t forget you guys as podcasts. You can replay it. Let me see if I can restate the five buckets. Number one is your thought processes or your methods or your systems are kind of your, your,

what I would call your signature method, your signature framework, like your IP, your zone of genius. The second one are actions people can take and a place where you can be resourceful based on your zone of genius and what you teach, who aren’t ready buy from you. The third one is what does your heart speak? Like, are you a motivator?

Are you funny? Like what other things can you share that might or might not relate to your business? The fourth is who are our clients? What are the case studies? What do they need from us? How to know when they’re ready to work for us or work with us, what does that trigger? What are some of the things that our clients are working on?

And then the fifth one is all things, your name, like, what are you up to today? What are you doing? And so that does answer like the 20%. I think that what is your heart speed is also possibly very personal is what, But it can go business. And that’s the really cool part because like, for me as caring about people as a part of our core values.

So when it came to the shoe marches and even like our biggest coming up in June, it is an alignment with that. So like the boss brushes in alignment with what my heart speaks with my heart speaks of how to inspire people, to take those next steps in their life. Even if it’s not, when we just take the next step. So cool.

It’s the things that your beliefs and your motivators and things like that. I, I love that so much. Thank you so much for being a guest on the show. This was a lot of great information. And I know our listeners went from some of our listeners who went from never even understanding branding to going from how to understand the audience and even now how to create content.

I mean, that’s just way above, you know, but I think a lot of our listeners, so if you guys hung out until the end, you’ve literally got your content buckets, which is super genius. How can people find you? How can they connect with you if they want to know more about your services? Yeah. You can just visit us at www dot Connect dot com.

It’s funny because the last is the Irish word that means to bring light to which goes into our brand, which is what we try to do. Even like in our businesses and shining light on other people’s brands, bring light to them and have people see them. So that’s why I love, like, I, I love our business Smart. Say you’re a brand strategist,

good meme or good, good business name or two. And then this is episode number 224 here on the sweet life entrepreneur podcast. So you guys can find all the show notes and all Carrie’s links and how to find her in the show notes here@sweetlifeco.com. But then also we get to jam in a clubhouse room. So if you guys are unclip housed in your listeners to this show and you are subscriber,

like you’ve clicked the subscribe button, you’re getting downloads of these episodes. And so you’re listening to it real time. Carrie and I are going to be live on clubhouse on the Wednesday that this show drops at 12 o’clock Eastern time. So if you’re listening to the show in real time, Carrie is going to be in our clubhouse room, taking your questions,

workshopping with you, talking about these five buckets and brand archetype and in all this stuff. And if you, if you’ve never moderated or with a room with her, you never been in a room where she moderates. She’s so much fun. That’s where I found her. And I can’t wait for you guys to get a chance to dive in deeper with Carrie as well.

So Carrie, thank you so much for being a guest on the show and all of the genius that you brought. It’s been such a fun time hanging out with you. I love everything that you said, and I know our listeners really appreciate you pouring into us. Thank you so much. It literally means the world to me. I said at the beginning,

you’re so sweet. It’s it’s truly our pleasure. All right. You guys, thanks so much for hanging out with us today. Isn’t Carrie, just such a gem, such a sweetheart. I hope you walked away with exactly what we promised you would the understanding of brand archetypes and how to use this in your business to speak to the core needs of your audience.

Again, you can join us on clubhouse, the live conversation and Q and a at 12 o’clock Eastern time, every single Wednesday, simply by following me on clubhouse and clicking the little button next to my name, to turn on alerts. So, you know, when we’re going to be talking and you can find me at April beach on clubhouse. All right.

You guys have an awesome, awesome day. I can’t wait to talk to you again soon. Bye bye. For now.